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Computer Issues HELP! 11 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 60
I was having a ton of computer problems not too long ago so I had to rebut my whole system which whipped out all of my downloaded programs which included my Microsoft Office 2010 and '07. Now I am not only unable to update my chapters because of my job but because I don't have a word document anymore. How fair is that? This is one of the worst things that could happen to an author! I had a friend give me that program so I have no idea how to return this file to my desktop. Any ideas?
 
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Re:Computer Issues HELP! 11 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 53
I'd try Libre Office for your usage.

For most documents, it should be able to open them fine (Even most .docx), with minor formatting issues. Only way they wouldn't would be if you were doing some major MS specific stuff (like embedding an Excel sheet (OLE), etc.. in the document). Can do that somewhat, but I believe in a different way. If they were saved as a '.doc' and not '.docx', then you shouldn't have any problems beyond the normal opening the binary files.

Libre Office should be able to open the standard .docx files fine, but IIRC, Office didn't fully support the OpenXML standard till Office 2013... (Maybe 2010, but that doesn't feel right to me :/ ).

-J

Edit: Meh... I can't type sometimes...

P.S. Technical junk -- Okay, the .docx is just a zip container for XML files, like .odt, etc... So, in theory, you have your .docx file, and can use winzip, 7-zip, or the like to extract that file. Then, you will find an XML file that should be named:

[extract dir]/word/document.xml

That will have all the text in it... It can be a major PITA to extract the text from the word .docx XML, but it's feasible anyway (A lot of times words are seperated by multiple XML tags... *sigh*).

Code:


The .docx XML for that is (I added Comments):

  <!-- Start the Paragraph -->
  <w:p w:rsidR="004826E2" w:rsidRDefault="001D0DB0">
    <!-- Paragraph body here -->
    <w:r><w:t>This is the song that never ends. It goes on and on my friends.</w:t></w:r>

  <!-- End paragraph -->
  </w:p>

... Yeah... *sigh*



So, most the time you'll have the text semi-sane, but it can get messy. The actual text should between the:

Code:


<w:r><w:t>
  Text here
</w:t></w:r>



blocks... :/ Oh, and it's usually written as a single line.
 
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Re:Computer Issues HELP! 11 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 12
You could also try Open Office. It opens doc and docx files without any problem and has the same features as Microsoft Office. Microsoft Office can't open odt files (the open Office default extension) but you can choose to save your files in a variety of formats including doc, html and txt.
It's free and you ca find it here: www.openoffice.org
 
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Re:Computer Issues HELP! 11 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 53
Sakura Dragon wrote:
You could also try Open Office. It opens doc and docx files without any problem and has the same features as Microsoft Office. Microsoft Office can't open odt files (the open Office default extension) but you can choose to save your files in a variety of formats including doc, html and txt.
It's free and you ca find it here: www.openoffice.org


I'll cut in again... Libre Office is basically the same as Open Office. It was forked from the Open Office code after Oracle bough Sun.

And we[1] all know how well Oracle behaves after they buy a company. Well... even just being the great Oracle DB company.

-J

[1] - "we" as in anyone who's been in the tech field more than a few years. Oracle really isn't liked that much in the circles I run in, but I also really can't say that it's undeserved.
 
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Re:Computer Issues HELP! 11 Years, 5 Months ago Karma: 12
Obviously I didn't know that. I got Open Office three years ago (it has the sun logo) and still have the setup saved in my computer. I never went back to their website until I recommended it so i had no idea of the changes. No wonder I thought it looked strange since the last time I was there. Thanks for telling me. I really need to be more careful what I recommend to people in the future.
 
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Re:Computer Issues HELP! 10 Years, 11 Months ago Karma: 57
Yah I've tried LibreOffice and OpenOffice both being the latest editions installed on a Windows 8 PC. I do like LibreOffice for its ability to save documents in .docx format, a neccessity as I originally had used a Windows 7 pc with Windows Starter, a trimmed down version of Windows Word to create/edit some story files in .docx format.

Pros:
  1. LibreOffice and OpenOffice are opensource freeware programs available for ready download and install for 'free' you do not have to pay for either to use on your PC unlike the commercialised Windows Office suite.

  2. LibreOffice and OpenOffice contain all the basic programs that come with Windows Office, from a wordprocessing program to a spreadsheeting program to a powerpoint program etc.

  3. The latest LibreOffice and OpenOffice suites support all Windows Platforms up to Windows 8, but OpenOffice does not support Windows 8.1 RT, which is what I do not use.

  4. Both are Easy to Install and Use.

  5. LibreOffice supports the saving of word-processing documents in .docx format so any files you've created in Windows Word can be opened and used in LibreOffice, and saved in the same format.

  6. OpenOffice will allow you to open Windows word .docx documents, although you won't be able to save that file in .docx format, though you can save in .doc format as used in early versions of Windows Word from 1997 to the XP days of 2003. After that you're stuck either using .doc or the openoffice .odt file extension.

  7. Both LibreOffice and OpenOffice interfaces are easy to use being based on the original Windows 2000 to Windows XP interfaces, so no ribbon menus as in Windows 2007 onwards.



Cons:

  1. LibreOffice is good but it does have limitations such as the REDO/UNDO option in the Wordprocessor, you can go about 10 to 15 steps in either direction and that's it, unlike Windows Word that allowed you to go back and forth up to 75 to 80 steps.

    OpenOffice Writer is similarly limited too but for me it works better than LibreOffice.

  2. The latest version of LibreOffice will chew up 1.52 GB of harddrive space on your PC on install while the latest version of OpenOffice will chew up under 400 MB on install, saving space.

  3. OpenOffice will dump excess files onto your desktop on installation, not very clean but all installations that I have ever used of OpenOffice have always done this. LibreOffice installs far cleaner even if it does chew up your drive-space.

  4. You could have installation hiccups with the latest version of OpenOffice on a Windows 8 machine. It does support Windows 8 and 8.1 but not Windows 8 RT.

    LibreOffice installs clean with no problems on a Windows 8 machine. You'll run smooth as a youkai's backside.

    It's much better with no hiccups although the Find/spellcheck/Thesaurus programs in the LibreOffice word-processor are messy, and are actually better in my opinion in OpenOfficer's word-processing program, Writer, once you get them working.

  5. You could have problems getting the spellcheck and thesaurus dictionaries working in OpenOffice, as you have to fiddle around with the Extension Manager, download and install templates, more dictionaries, and other odds and ends if you use more than one language.

    Trouble is your language if it's not a main one like English or Spanish etc might not be supported in OpenOffice. It depends on what you can find. The dictionary versions also might not work in the latest edition of OpenOffice being 4.0.1 that's for a Windows 8 machine, as most dictionaries were built for versions around 3.5 and under supporting Windows XP to Windows 7 machines, not Windows 8.

  6. The Help Documentation for OpenOffice is all over the place, so it might be difficult to find an answer to a simple problem if you get stuck trying to configure your OpenOffice suite. LibreOffice is alot better in this regard, although it does have hiccups too. Not unexpected for open-source software.



Overall I actually like LibreOffice more than OpenOffice as it installs clean, has no hiccups on a Windows 8 machine, and can save in .docx format, but what blew it for me was the install size of 1.52 GB on my PC. Yes I have a big drive but if I was trying to save space I just lost a load of it.

So despite OpenOffice's hiccups, and there are a few, its the install size on disk that won me over. It has more technical hitches, yes, but I'll still be using it instead of LibreOffice, or until I decide to waste a couple hundred bucks to buy Windows Office, which despite being a commercial version of the same thing, is actually superior to both.

If you're trying to penny-pinch and save money than LibreOffice and OpenOffice are good alternatives to Windows Office, but overall, Office is better than both, period, even if Windows OS and programs are riddled with holes that need constant patching.

I'm a penny-pincher so OpenOffice it is.

~ Pyre
 
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